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    12 comments  ·  bliss  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Ok, made a vote, 3 points, on the tag correction suggestion and placed a remark.
    I hope it's enough.

    Fine, lets see...
    If it is possible, I think a regular expression to ignore specified albums should give the best results in a quick way. So we have to find the expressions, most used for "non artist collection" albums.
    The expressions could be;

    "TOP XX(XXXX)", "XXXX", "Hits XXXX-XXXX" ("XXXX-XXXX)", "The XX's Collections" (XX's), "Something with Volume XX (Volume X or XX)", "Classics", "XX Top Dance (XX Top)"

    AND a search possibility for ignoring language exceptions like "Nederlandstalige hits...", "Wolkenserie", "Deel(Part)", "Absolute", "Numero Uno" etc.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Yep, that's probably what's needed in a first glance.

    The last paragraph is an remark on the use of several words in album titles.
    Examples are;

    1997 Dance Collection,
    Best 100 #1 songs of the 2004's,
    2003 Top 50,
    MTV's Top 40 of 2010,
    Sky Top 1000 of all time,
    Etc.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    "The year is related to the release on which the track appears. I suppose you could say that if there's no album name it may refer to the year first recorded. But the point is that you wouldn't decide on an album name due to a year, because the year is determined by when the album was released"

    True, but in most cases, the album release year will be the same as the track release year. In the other cases the year should be "as close as possible" to the track release year.

    The big question is; How to get the right Album name (earliest release),
    when there is no album name given?

    For our purpose, the answer could be:
    Track release year (OR nearest to track release year) = Album release year
    Album release year = Album name.

    I think we went a little of topic here, but very interesting!

    But back, on "track" ;-) I'm still thinking that were better off, without the "year", "(Radio)Station" and "Brand" collections in de the album naming and album art.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    My whole interest within the mp3 matching was started when my collection went out of control.
    Nothing seem to match and fit, like metadata and art. So one of my actions was to kill all the metadata from all my mp3 files (~17000 files). I have use id3kill for this.
    After this I went on a search for matching software and I have found Song Kong too work with. But Song Kong leaves a lot of gaps. So I'm using Bliss for filling op these gaps and for the artwork.

    So in my opinion you have to start with no metadata. So what you got? Probably only, for example; Michael Jackson - Bad.mp3. So the first match should be to find the release year.
    This should be the earliest date in relation with the artist name and track name. If the database is filled properly then it will come back with 1987 (same year as the Bad album).

    So now we have artist name, track and release year. This should be enough to find the album name. After this we have also the right genre (if filled in of course) and the right art.

    In an answer too your question; for an individual track, ONLY the earliest (or oldest) release data / year is important. The other dates will be for sure, be of "best of...", "Ultimate...", "bla bla collection" or other named collections. But I think that every music lover, wants to have his favorite songs to be matched to the Artists album and not to a XYZ collection.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Hi Dan,

    No problem.
    That's right, because this will give a much better match too the original track/album from the artist.

    Some examples are;
    Classic Drive: Hitchin' a Ride (disc 2) - Various Artists
    Classic Drive: Back to the 80's - Various Artists
    Dance Classics, Volume 13 - Various Artists
    Dance Classics, Volume 16 - Various Artists
    Dureco Wolkenserie, Volume 200
    Golden Pop Music Edition 3 - 1976-1985 - Various Artists
    Het beste uit de Top 40 van 1993 - Various Artists

    I think the idea is when you discard these sort of album names, there will be a better match to the separate tracks. In this case you will be able to work around the "Various Artist" issue.

    As a comment to your last question, concerning the artwork; Yes.
    I know also, that this will not work, in most of the cases.
    So matching too album names will be needed. In this case a relation, to the first release date, of the track, would be needed, for an better match to the album name. And discarding albums with "collection names" and "Various Artists" will make de match even better.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    The same for albums with within the name "Volume X(XX)".

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    14 comments  ·  bliss  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Ok, lets see of we can bring those two suggestions back to one biggie...
    I have to think this over, in the meantime, if I can help you in an other way, let me know.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Correct.
    The digital world is getting momentum.
    The future will tell, but I think the days of the albums in not going to last.
    (Not in the way we have lived with music, on tapes and LP's. I'm 46 now and I'm noticing a difference in the way music plays a part in life.)

    So an other approach is needed, and that's probably an track based one.
    Even now, single tracks can be downloaded without being on a album release first.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    About Bad 25; No I expected as a match the original "Bad" album, because his release date is earlier then the collection album Bad 25.

    About "So I think bliss is doing what you want - *not* saving a file.";
    Ok, bliss sees that the songs don't match with an album, so it leaves it with this?
    No further steps?
    In my opinion bliss is clustering directories in his matching and directories should be hard bounded. The only good answer for this remark should be separate's;
    File not saved - other tracks in 1985 are from different albums.
    File not saved - other tracks in 1988 are from different albums. etc.
    Because this tells me that the xyz.mp3 in 1985 is not saved and is used as a separate album.

    About "Where did these tags come from in the first place?"
    Most of the Meta is filled by Song Kong, with also makes use of the musicbrainz database.
    The given match is probably a match to first artist & track combo its finds, instead of matching to the first release date.

    I hope I helped you. (Don't work to much, your on holiday ;-)

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Thanks Dan, I've uploaded the file, and I'm in no rush.
    Enjoy your Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    An other small issue appeared... It's more a remark then an idea;

    COMPLIANT
    File not saved - other tracks in 1985,1988,1987,1989,1980 are from different albums.

    I don't think it's wise (who am I to tell ??) to do a crosscountrytrackie over different directories.
    I presume that the script must know that an album is "always" in the same directory and this should be hard boundaries. The years are directory names.

    So the following gives me more time to think less of other things (lol)
    NONCOMPLIANT
    Missing art from Climie Fisher - Rise to the occasion.mp3, zucchero - Senza una donna.mp3, bobby Brown - Every little step.mp3, garland Jeffreys - Matador.mp3, tears For Fears - Everybody wants to rule the...

    In this situation it should be better that the script pulls them apart and treats them as singles, so I or the script can give them there own art and other meta data. Even when there are directory boundaries its maybe better to pull them apart for a greater possibility to match them against artist albums when the script noticed that the directory is not an album directory but a (personal) collection directory. (Between us; I think that collections albums (Puthemthroughthedrain 1 till eternity), should be banned all together and should never be a possibility to match against a track.)

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    Marco Haenraets commented  · 

    Thank you for your quick response. Is it possible to upload or drop the file somewhere?
    It's 64Mb ahem big. ;-) If you can receive this, I will send it to you of course...

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